. Yes, I do, but when I say I try to, that means in my mind that I realize that there will be times I will fail. Jesus so many times told those He had healed to tell no-one. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. 13:5). VIDEO MIRACLES AT WALMART Please Watch!! For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! Recently I was working at a ladies house and noticed she was enormously overweight and who had breathing assist aperatuses all over her house . Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Buying drugs is literally like buying candy now. That may have been more of satans intent than the immediate deceptions he caused. Read and KNOW the scriptures people, for the sake of the Kingdom of God and for the sake of your own selves and your families. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. ( Am I EVER glad I didnt judge her for eating too much!!!!) Joseph Mercola This is why our judgment should be, only on the fruits of the persons life; not on the power being displayed; and one of those fruits is their love, respect and reverence for the Lord in seeking to please Him by following His Instructions, not their idea of what it is to love Him, and expect Him to be pleased.

So true about trying to put each other into boxes or us having to do such & such etc. The apostles werent charlatans when Jesus cautioned them to rejoice only that their names were in the book of life, and Jesus was surely not a charlatan when they tried to put him on a pedestal and make him a king. Again something inside me drive me to ask if she was related to someone who had a 275 pound tumor. In the United States, the federal government has even used this same infiltration tactic to control our news media. I also believe, and this falls in line with the Wilkerson article, that a specific outpouring is coming where the miracles of God are going to be so manifest and evident and powerful that no one will ever be able to deny them. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. Are you married? to become the type that accuses first and asks questions later. Other christians have told me I cant discern what is true and what is wrong, and that what I received that wonderful day of salvation is not of God. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. Amen. I did nothing of myself ! All the false ministers being mentioned started out in simplicity with the spiritual gifts that they had been given. It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). Have we thrown out of the bible all the SUPERNATURAL POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD? truly revolutionary but also very simple about getting back I am currently looking for people who got involved in The Last Reformation or with Torben Sondergaard (its leader). I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. Maybe its just a different expectation outside that makes it more likely to see results. Just because Torben says he is doing this in the name of Jesus, doesnt mean he is actually doing it in the name of Jesus. Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 The deaf were healed and the lame walked right on camera. The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. That is why we need to take care when posting our judgmental thoughts without first checking things out properly. Yes, there are charlatans who do as you say regarding shortened legs. Torben Sondergaard is a self-proclaimed apostle and faith healer from Denmark who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. Finally some very edifying and encouraging articles. to New Testament Christianity. Too PRE-OCCUPIED with a devil that has been falsely portrayed as having EQUAL POWER AND AUTHORITY as the TRINITY..which includes the Holy Spirit that is dwelling within EVERY BORN AGAIN person. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. WebHe was fully ordained in 1990 by Bethel Missionary Baptist Church under Pastor John L. Reamer where approximately 10 years later he became the Pastor and continues there today. I have been greatly encouraged by these videos. Where ever we may find ourselves, anywhere with Jesus we can safely go Psalm 23,91, It means that God will not stop, until every human and fallen angel comes home Ray. , Something similar happened to General George S. Patton during World War II. he was encouraging the early church to return to the FIRE OF GOD thay had when the church was BORN IN ACTS 2 after the preaching of Gods word lifting up Jesus and the Father sent the Gift as promised. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? Elizabeth Marie www.TheLastReformation.com Torben Sndergaard | Orlando WebTorben Sndergaard was born in 1976 in a non-christian family. Rather, it is the Holy Spirit authenticating the message I gave to you about Jesus Christ. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. God bless I think God likes what Im doing more than what you are NOT doing.. It is THE ENEMY that COUNTERFEITS the things of God! I would like to read the entire book. It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. Correction Too PRE-OCCUPIED with the works of the devil. (Bearing I mind I can only talk about it in accordance with my gift, others like scribes might be able to go into in greater depth and detail etc, but for me I have to keep it simple, and that is ok I think because different gifts have different benefits.). For years he has been an ardent supporter of the Toronto manifestations movement. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. Alan Macleod i would be interested in your comments on Isaiah Saldivar who has miracles happening on the streets, in his home and in church. This really broke my heart! 2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing, but unto all them also that love his appearing, Jonathan, you ask Where do you get your identity? Jonathan, as a born again believer in our risen Savour the Lord Jesus Christ I am identified with Christ and in Union with Him and I/we Christians are currently seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph). It is necessary for the natural thinking world to see the supernatural part of God operating through us, because we are all spirit filled and supernatural beings too, and God is also a spirit. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. Jesus is coming soooooon, His return is imminent. If you will analyze that Greek word, you will see it means the life or substance of His being, the quickening, living power of God, the very nature and being of God., Torben is doing what God has commssioned him to do & i think thats Awesome! Just as God turns unrepentant sinners over to their sins, He will send strong delusion to those who want to be deceived. The Cross Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. If we do that then His work brings death to us. . In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. This is not a one time event this is continuous. acting through Torben, to see if it is from God. And we are not of weak faith when we weep and plead with the Father on somebodys behalf or stick our neck out to warn. May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. Marilyn- beautiful words Sister If I and others who believed and prayed and were filled, which christian would rebuke this? 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When we see the goodness of the Lord in our lives, when he heals us and fills us with his presence, it not only convinces and blesses us, but convinces unbelievers. My point is that I think it disappointing when someone wants to genuinely and biblically, test the spirits, and they are met with personal attacks rather than answering the genuine questions that are being raised. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. What I find very disappointing is that when some of us want to engage in an honest discussion about this story, we are met with name calling and ridicule. WebTorben Frederiksen Overview Torben Frederiksen Adrienne Frederiksen is currently associated with two companies, according to public records. The simplicity, the sincerity & humbleness is so refreshing to see. 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. She did not speak but apparently was amazed at the effect in her body. Thank you for your `now,` perspective in the Lord, sister. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. When it. totally normal part of everyday Christian life. I found Jesus as MY SAVIOR in DEC. 1959 and remember then how God moved and we seen miracles that the young today question . Ample scriptures indicate that they will appear as ministers of the gospel, not ministers of the enemy. 1 Somebody asked about Bill Johnson He is the current Mayor of WIERDSVILLE or at least Deputy Mayor! Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. Obedience is this seasons message. a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that Look at God, He has just gone and done it again. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. I left it months ago. ** And there also those who embrace every wind of doctrine, and all signs and wonders, regardless of their source. Yes! Marie, i agree, there are people like what you describe. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. Thats it. Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. What excited my heart was the fact that he is discipling & mentoring others as the Lord said. J. a) to be troubled with cares ALL sin is ROOTED IN UNBELIEF. Since the whole of the scriptures CONDEMNS BEING FEARFUL, ANXIOUS AND WORRIED, then I would have to say that Paul was of weak faith when it came to the letter he was writing. Then demands were made for him to be investigated for the crime of quackery. Upon reflection, Im sure Andrew regrets lumping everyone together. Cmo saber que vas al cielo? Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. Show me an authentic video of that happening with the person healed repenting and declaring Jesus as Lord; then Ill agree that the Spirit has met the test and passed. He can also STOP anytime He wants to. That LIST of what is acceptable behavior for God is what got the Jews CUT OFF of the Vine.

He said it and that settles it. Jonathan, as a born again believer/a Christian, I eagerly await the soon return of the Lord Jesus Christ WHO IS returning for me/us/ Christians, to take us to the mansions that He has prepared for us (John 14:2), Paul said They are still carrying the sting of it, instead of saying, O death where is thy sting? I think you are right Barry. Praise the Lord for the doers of Gods word a d not hearers only. writings and his preaching. No one could get him to stop rejoicing and praising God. I do remember Him saying something about the Pharisees who was calling Him evil for healing and casting out devils. In whatever FORM God deems necessary for the people to BELIEVE that He exists and that He is GOOD/can be TRUSTED. As a result, he became a punching bag on Danish TV as guests on news programspushed for a new law against Christians who allegedly inflicted mental violence against children through healings and deliverance. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. Warning: Use of undefined constant - assumed '' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in /home/oeogzb4nyt2z/public_html/revivalschool.com/wp-content/themes/picture-perfect/single.php on line 14. WebTorben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. It is good to testify, in simplicity, and as the Lord leads when it is seemly and glorifying to Him, but it is not for us to try and make it into something. How he heals is also a choice made by each believer because many think different on this also. and he says to them depart from Me, you worker of iniquity. Certainly going to a local village for instance and seeing the Elder of a village get healed dramatically by us, is going to get the attention of the whole village on God very quickly and allow the preaching of the word to follow without effort. There is no more marvelous manifestation in the life of Jesus than that manifestation of healing through the apostle Paul. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. Thanks for sharing that on Revelation Chas351, that is something I need to take a look atalready saved to my computer! We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. As to his methods of making YouTube videos and posting them, why shouldnt he. Are FEARMONGERS walking by the Holy Spirit? Andrew Strom COMMENTS? GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). Jim makes a very good point. The Bible is replete with verses about this (some of which I pointed out in m previous post). Thank you Barry, & Gary I read about Wigglesworth from your link, & appreciated it also. How the Media Secretly Carries Out Assignments for the CIA, Biden Administration Creates Ministry of Truth, Prophetic dream reveals leadership failure within the church, Disturbing facts about the Ukraine war and their President. This Youtube clip is titled How to Remember the 5 Fold Church Ministry and is part of a longer teaching by Sondergaard, titled Reformation of the Church System . Has my body been infected with theragrippers? I am fortunate to have a dedicated group of believers in my life wherein we hold each other accountable and encourage each other in a daily walk in the spirit. Subtley shifting the focus away from the divine purpose of revival from repentance and faith in Jesus alone towards centralizing and making WIRRDSVILLE the main objective of revival. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Jonathan, I may be wrong but I suspect you are coming partly from the hebrew roots type of people who, for the most part, want us to go back to the Law, keeping feast days etc. And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. And we had people starting to call us saying that you have to leave Denmark now because they are not going to stop. As Jeff Moore so elegantly wrote, Why should the Devil have all the good music? Besides which, you dont hear this kind of thing preached. In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. Deliverance and healing all at once on a whole congregation of people? We should not think more highly of ourselves than we ought. Those lost truths are now being progressively restored by teachers such as Sondergaard. Luis Read my updates https://z3news.com/w/february-losses-part-ii/#comments. Torben has been in jail since his arrest when authorities shackled him hand and foot like a terrorist. Im honestly smiling about this; not offended one bit, though I do feel sorry for yall. Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. Lol Seymour laid hands on the man and proclaimed, Let Thy Name be Glorified. Watchful- THIS work of God in us is holiness. 2) to fear, be afraid of one Too many people are busy looking for signs and wonders and taking their eyes of off Jesus. I totally disagree with his position. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. For those who accuse us of being guilty for following and receiving the Holy Scriptures promise in Acts, then we guilty as charged. Ethan Huff To my utter astonishment she replied, I went to a conference of Rick Joyners where women with extremely long hair writhed on the floor like serpents (these women were allowed on stage). Its sad that christians would mock other christians and claim they cannot discern the false from the truth when it comes to their personal walk with the Lord. I know I have never heard it talked about that I can remember and so the Lord is teaching me. Because that which is of God is not weird but is HOLY. Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. So, we bought a ticket to America and two days later we packed our suitcases and we left with our kids to America. Lightning amen! But some people who saw the video 2) (TWOT) to shoot, pour. No, because man can not do these things, lest God be in us.
Chelsea Hagen You need to get saved from your unbelief and your incredulity! All I can say is that if Paul twice said he feared for the church of Corinth, then it shouId be ok for us to feel similar concern as well when it is warranted. A glory cloud rose up at Johnsons church (there is even a youtube video of it) which many say was Gods glory falling and others showed it to be just glitter ( I think of Gods glory falling in past revivals and before Israel and how it brought their faces to the floor). WHO does the KEEPING? Quote.. Trenton You dont know me, nor do I know you. The healer used the leg pulling method I felt fire through my legs and into my lower back. The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. Dana R But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. ALL of which are used in the NEGATIVE. Actually it was the Pharisees that were always questioning Jesus trying to nitpick all the wrong things He was doing. An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). Yet there is unity in this diversity, as long as we see Christ Jesus our Lord as the reason for our unity. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. No, If Bill Johnston belongs to the Lord as I know that he does (I have been praying for him interceding for him I know that God has a plan for him in the USA) and you say that he doesnt and worse you say that he is a false prophet, a false teacher and a false evangelist (if thats what youre saying) when his heart is actually set on the Lord and to the best of his current knowledge he is serving the Lord if you say that when in reality he has been born of God, knows that Jesus is God and is his Lord then I believe this following scripture applies to you (and to anyone else who agrees with you), But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

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