No worries, I have waited this long to research this so waiting a little bit longer is not a problem. A group of US veterans is digging up a field where a bomber crashed during World War Two, killing several American crew members. The dead crewman was Oberfeldwebel Herman Platt. 
He worked in the sand and gravel pit where it we discovered it. It looked like a miniature submarine in size and shape, badly damaged and it seemed to be compartmented. 75% of the town was evacuated in 1940. In an earlier recollection she focussed on just two crew (so maybe a fighter bomber or light bomber?) Fascinating stuff, this! Hi, I have only just seen this thread, my parents lived at Dunkirk during WW2 and as a child I played on the remains of a shot down plane until I took home some bullets I found which resulted in the site being cleared. Hi Steve, without looking in detail, I havent anything more than Parkers entry in Luftwaffe Crash Archive Vol 2 do you already have a copy of this book? In the school back yard, large aircraft-hangar-like buildings were constructed to house the fire engines and personnel. Treat them like a cemetery. Snake Den Ridge Trail, Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Tenn. Its well worth a trip. Will take a look at what I have in my books, get back to you if I find anything. I do remember that when I went there, it was a warm summers day. We lived in Grovesner Ave, Chatham, Kent. Battle over Sussex 1940, Blitz over Sussex 1941-42 and Bombers over Sussex 1943-45, For more detail on Luftwaffe specific losses look no further than the Luftwaffe Crash Archive series by Nigel Parker, Thanks for all that Simon. Thats so kind of you its a story that has always fascinated me! Let me know if you recall any other detail? All had died on the same day so I figured they were the crew of a bomber that was shot down in the area, possible a Do-17 or Heinkel-111 . It was published in 1994 and states that parts of the aircraft are/were still being discovered in the fields and hedgerows where the bomber crashed even then. If not, I will look at the years either side of this one, or if any other readers on here can add more it would be appreciated. I was about 13 or 14 years old and my interest in WWII and aviation had only just begun. Under this act it is an offence to tamper with, damage, move, or unearth any remains without a licence from the Ministry of Defence. The aircraft work number was Wn.3962 and the fuselage identification code was believed to be F8+LW. There is a photo of the wreck on the Web. Ian. If this does not sound right, do you have an idea as to the date? Obelt. My friends father said he recalls as a lad, a German bomber being shot down in the same area. So far the Church records go, the Burials Register will record the names and details of all who were buried in the churchyard. Peter Ayerst survived eight years as a fighter pilot and wing commander with the Royal Air Force throughout the Second World War and he died peacefully in May 2014. Of the four bombs that landed in the city itself, all rolled around the streets and never exploded except one: it killed my wifes schoolfriend. German ones late war are as expected fewer. WebWW2 Aircraft Crashes in the Cavendish area The Stradishall Short Sterling, 31st March 1944 The Lavenham B-24, July 20th 1944 The Crash of Junkers 9/KG30 at Cavendish 22 March 1944 The Liberator Crash at Kentwell Hall, 20 May 1944 Sudbury Crash 13th July 1944 Thats why Im interested as dad recalls only the wings were removed the vast majority we think is still under the clay. They have a monument stone to the crew that died but its not where it crashed. I refuse to accept they would not have been buried without due regard, and the 4 unidentified ones were buried in Chartham the next day. 
Thanks very much.
Simon. Does anybody know if downed luftwaffe planes were recovered and taken to airbases like Deenethorpe to be striped and studied?? The B-17 bomber played a major role in winning the air war against Germany in WW2. The crash I was researching occured in East Sussex. Hi Ian, yes it was a black day for the Luftwaffe and the civilian population. Local school children, including my 14 year old day, heard of the crash and were soon on it the next morning. Bear with me, it might require me trawling through 11 volumes of books to find it! Parker always draws a blank on these occasions as well, which means there is nothing in them. Serial number of the plane and individual code (B3+?H) is not known, but if parts of it can be found, there is always chance serial might be found on a component or a part plate. I can provide you with many details of Pilot HELMUT GALL! WebThe map has been launched to mark the 80th anniversary of the first raid. let me know. This aircraft took off from Paris for a raid on Birmingham but was attacked by a Boulton Paul Defiant night fighter over Redhill. One of the photos is of a Spitfire on the ground at Kenley and another is of the bombers departing, again parallel to the Seven Sisters. I'm hoping to update PlaneCrashMap.com with some of the Went to see it straight away of course and it had done a fine belly landing; its engines were till ticking from the heat when I got to it. Just to add to the confusion the lake at Horsmonden was searched some years ago as it was alleged a German bomber crashed into it but nothing was ever found. Anyway if there is anything in that book that you think would help then please let me know or email me. Interesting to read of your dads memories of this crash. Hi John,
Getting a ticket is almost impossible unless you are a season ticket holder now. Can anyone verify this incident? Since I own all of these documents to Schmitter it made me a bit more motivated, as you might imagine, to find all I could about his career. I thought Id ask here as apparently the crash is mentioned in Vol 2 Luftwaffe Crash Archives as well as Andy Saunders Finding the Foe (Chapter 8), 60024/67 FF Obergefr Gerhard FREUDE 14.10.18 Koslitz, Luben The Sound Mirrors at Greatstone on Sea have always fascinated me but access is restricted. I believe on 23rd Sept 1940 the Luftwaffe sent over 200 ME109s in the morning, that were intercepted by various Hurricanes & Spitfires. Hope you find the site. He took me to the site in the sixties and its now a public park and as far as we know are still buried there. Gefreiter Franz Becker all missing. There is a photo of the tailplane the only recognisable part in The Blitz T&N#3. All military aircraft crash sites in the United Kingdom, its territorial waters, or British aircraft in international waters, are controlled by the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986. Stabsfeldwebel was a senior NCO rank. Lund of 611 Squadron during combat at 14.45. 60024/4 BO Oberlt Max-Dankwart BIRKENSTOCK 16.12.15 Neustettin, Stettin 4/JG2 2+- off Folkestone Pier piloted by Uff Frederich Dilthey So that doesnt fit either with your account of a friendly reception but who knows, it could be the same? Will be in touch, Thank you so much. This morning I am free and am just replying to a number of queries I received, will take a look into yours soon. Great stuff. For years there was some kind of wreck lying among the rocks, but we never were able to identify it. 8/JG26 9+1 Biddenden pilot Fw Gerhard Grsymalla Was the crash at Laindon or somewhere in Basildon or at Southend? Hi Jez, sorry I have been unable to look at the books I have. I knew Helmuts daughter and corresponded with her. Harald, Hi thankyou a very brave man by the sound of it glad was treated ok.couldnt find nothing on records regarding the gentleman.I think he was Essen based nice to hear he got to see his family. Before I knew anything about it sadly. Has Been a long time since reading any posts have you any photography of Mr Gall ? Their names were Walter Hottenrott (pilot), Hermann Reese (pilot), and Paul Gotze (Observer). I am looking for information on a report from the Eastbourne Gazette dated September 4th 1940 stating; Officer congratulates Lewis gunner for bringing down a Junkers 88. Simon, the article I read about the widow of that German pilot was in the Eastbourne Herald newspaper, I think. Superfortress 44-61999 Over-Exposed! air crash site on Bleaklow, All photos and text are aircrashsites.co.uk unless otherwise stated. There is a reference on a mesage board from 2006 which says The remains of Gerhard Ruger were disposed of by local troops and received no formal burial, the burial site being unmarked and unrecorded. Warm Regards, Keith Williams. But there are similar stories relating to the air raids on Nottingham of 8/9 May 1941 which is interesting. One mountain with 8 aircraft crashes on it. Knowing that a young pilot was laying just below my feet in his grave , He lay there until 1977 when he and his plane were dug up. WebA Plane Crash in Maidstone. I also saw a Do 217e drop eight bombs, in two tight drops, on Winchester. But Id be very interested to see that claim proved wrong! Any idea as to the approx date or year? It began with the Royal Engineers at Chatham establishing a balloon I was told that the other crewman bailed out. Im local and hoping to visit sites to pay respects on their respective dates. 60024/79 BS Gefr Franz BECKER 18.1.19 Hurth, Koln. I wonder if the 410 was carrying bombs that caused such an explosion. Regards By using Google maps we were able to identify his evacuation town as Bleanau Ffestiniog, where he stayed with the family of a Welsh international footballer (name unknown) who played for Liverpool. There is a small photo of the RAF navigator by the Mosquito at West Malling and one of the excavation in 1976 with the now retired navigator proudly displaying a prop unearthed. WebMap of wartime aircraft crash sites. I know the exact location and even after all these years you can still smell the fuel in the soil. not a lot of info on the crew on Lufftwafe sites ,Hope your well. But often although the crash spot is recorded, often where the crew land is sometimes just given as the parish (e.g a Hurricane shot down over Tunbridge Wells crashing at Lake Street Manor, Mayifeld and the injured pilot baling out and landing somewhere in Rotherfield parish). Am no expert, but I think this would have been the emblem on the nose of the aircraft. Sorry I forgot to mention, I assume you have the information on the mosquito and both crews He177 and Mossie from the action. Many thanks. Wish I was down south, so much history on the south coast. 21 August 1940: 1./KG54 Junkers Ju 88 A-1. It did occur to me that the aircraft may have crashed some distance away and certainly my family story focuses very much on the young and very frightened German airman, rather than the plane. Parker simply records Ofw Platt who died aboard Heinkel 1H+JD, But in Images of War Luftwaffe Bombers in the Blitz 1940 1941 by Andy Saunders (you can get a free pdf of this book or at least the relevant pages online), the author says, When Cannock Chase was set up, Alfred was removed, as were these 4, now buried in Block 9 Grave 48 as Unknown Germans killed 22nd August (actually the date of burial in Chartham) and NOT 21st August. My email address is now walteray.hill29@gmail.com. Thank you. Appreciate your kind words. Battle Rural District bore the brunt of V1s shot down. He claims (in that year) a German Luftwaffe airman had baled out of his crashing Heinkel nearby. All the crew survived the impact, but the plane was left buried in the flats until it was looted in the 1990s, resulting in an organised excavation to document the surviving remains. Can anybody help? Where there is a probability of finding live ordance or human remains, permission may not be granted, so it could have been an unauthorised dig. Three other crew members all landed safely on fields below Cradle Hill near Rathfinny Farm, plane crashed near Seaford. I saw no detail about a Polish Hurricane pilot, what I have is reference to it being shot down by Spitfires and the crew bailed out. The gentleman is long dead now so I can not go back to him on that. I am aware that a dig was carried out there some years ago so hopefully the nearby farm will know more about it. On March 12, 1943, the nine-man crew of a B-17F Flying Fortress perished after one of the planes engines caught fire and exploded mid-air during a flight from Smoky Hill Air Field in Salina, Kansas, to Morrison Field in West Palm Beach, Florida. A Bf109 at Knowle Farm on 9/9/40. I know there was an attack on Easthampstead Park in 1941 (which was being used by a school evacuated from London), but I dont know if this was the same incident.
Hello Magaret, thank you for your story of the German fighter crash and what the pilot said to your father, Magaret, they were all young men on both sides and not all of them wanted it, its such a shame that so many died. The only information I have on the crash is from After the Battle The Blitz Vol 3 giving Hammer Wood as the crash site and a photograph of 2 bobbies with the tailplane wreckage but its impossible to tell where the crash site is from the image. And a lot still in progress. While living in Kent I got to know an ex Coldstream Guards officer who had been posted to Berlin shortly after Germanys surrender. I am trying to get in touch with local newspapers to see what they have in their archives. The bronze figure forms part of 'St Michaels Victory over the Devil', which was unveiled at the cathedral by Epsteins widow, Kathleen, in 1960. If I find out anything further, I will drop you a line. We have some woods nearby and have found British .50 cal bullets in the woods and scraps of aluminium and have always wondered if they had anything to do with the Heinkel. I dont know Sussex well but was down that way weekend before last, have friends in Worthing. WebIn Kent, over 600 terrestrial wrecks have been recorded and over 300 offshore.
I dont suppose you ever visited that part of the country? On August 30th 1940 a Heinkel 111 Group Markings A1_CL Crashed in Lifstan Way Southend On Sea,Essex 3 Crew Died and a Lady Died while Tripping over and Passed Away Going to hER Anderson Shelter , Iam Trying to Find Out What Happened To The Pilot Helmut Gall(uterofizier)? Cannock Chase was selected as the German Military Cemetary as the terrain most features German splinter countryside (also why their aircraft are camouflaged in such a way as oppose the RAFs more wavy British lines. - Vintage Photograph 1467913. my older sister included and I respect there feelings on this. Needham could find no more to confirm the story. Anything welcome especially if any photos. Do please let me know how you get on, be good to add a photo here or a link to your site if you add it there for anyone else searching for it. You might also want to consider that the crater might also have been caused by a V1 being in doodlebug alley or just from a bomber dropping its bombs blind if engaged by fighters. Id love to know more about this plane & its crew, particularly its pilot & would appreciate any help you can give me. Im new to these sites but wonder if anyone can help me. My elderly father was evacuated to laindon essex and remembers a German bomber maybe a dornier being persued by a hurricane at rooftop level. Good weather allowed the spectators on the ground to watch as the following events unfolded. Mechanic) Heinz Kochy (Radio Operator) and Gustav Ullmann (Gunner) all survived the forced landing along with their aircraft. 23/2/44 Ju188 at Framfield With the use of photography and writing, this work explores the plane crash sites in the New Hampshire White Mountains. Dave Smith told me about the crash of an Me-410 and we went searching for wreckage in those fields, expecting to see a crater perhaps. And in 1959 a Piper Comanche airplane crashed in a remote area of the 45,000-acre Pemigewasset Wilderness. Attacked by three Hurricanes, Uffz Rger turned for home but was shot down. Crashed WW2 Aircraft.. Ian, Hi Ian afraid I cant help you with date or year,sorry. Does anyone know of a German plane crash landing in Luton during WW2 and the crew surviving? We came to Australia in 1955. We hit the M25 at rush hour on a Friday evening. Best regards Keith. Thats all that I have. I have strong circumstantial evidence he was actually in the Auxiliary Home Guard. Sorry, I do not recall dates or any other info from those white crosses. Its a long shot, but if either of the two soldiers on the right look like your grandfather, do let me know and I will email you another photo of them. He was arrested at Hollyhurst, Burwash Weald (TN19 7NA) after spending the night in the woods. 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I also am hoping to see the Sound Mirrors on the Sussex coast at some time which I thought were unique until I came across your photos. I have gleaned a lot of information but what is missing is the exact crash site location. During the flight, the flying boats crew lost their way and found themselves well off course. However, I am not as familiar with that area as you both are, so you may rule it out immediately? Thanks Ian Yes The poppy was very appropriate . Photographer: Unknown photographer for John Laing plc, Historic England Archive John Laing Collection. With apologies for taking so long to respond, I am sorry to say I do not think we are going to be able to help. Thanks also for giving this some thought Simon. During the war my dad was evacuated from Liverpool (Anfield) to Wales as a seven year old. It seems unlikely that some schoolgirls would see the pilot bale out and open his parachute and see where the aircraft crashed, at some distance presumably, and make there way first to apprehend the pilot and then to the crash site. Interviews, WW2 By Pierre Kosmidis Photos by Anthony Rogers A heavily bomb-damaged street in Valletta, Malta. My nephew now lives in a house 1/4 mile from the site and local stories say a German POW worked at that farmhouse during the war. There doesnt seem to ba any other 4 man crew unaccounted for on 21/22 August on land, so where did the 4 in Chartham come from, if not Kings Somborne but obviously I need a definite link for authorities to accept these men are the Ju 88 crew.
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He worked in the sand and gravel pit where it we discovered it. It looked like a miniature submarine in size and shape, badly damaged and it seemed to be compartmented. 75% of the town was evacuated in 1940. In an earlier recollection she focussed on just two crew (so maybe a fighter bomber or light bomber?) Fascinating stuff, this! Hi, I have only just seen this thread, my parents lived at Dunkirk during WW2 and as a child I played on the remains of a shot down plane until I took home some bullets I found which resulted in the site being cleared. Hi Steve, without looking in detail, I havent anything more than Parkers entry in Luftwaffe Crash Archive Vol 2 do you already have a copy of this book? In the school back yard, large aircraft-hangar-like buildings were constructed to house the fire engines and personnel. Treat them like a cemetery. Snake Den Ridge Trail, Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Tenn. Its well worth a trip. Will take a look at what I have in my books, get back to you if I find anything. I do remember that when I went there, it was a warm summers day. We lived in Grovesner Ave, Chatham, Kent. Battle over Sussex 1940, Blitz over Sussex 1941-42 and Bombers over Sussex 1943-45, For more detail on Luftwaffe specific losses look no further than the Luftwaffe Crash Archive series by Nigel Parker, Thanks for all that Simon. Thats so kind of you its a story that has always fascinated me! Let me know if you recall any other detail? All had died on the same day so I figured they were the crew of a bomber that was shot down in the area, possible a Do-17 or Heinkel-111 . It was published in 1994 and states that parts of the aircraft are/were still being discovered in the fields and hedgerows where the bomber crashed even then. If not, I will look at the years either side of this one, or if any other readers on here can add more it would be appreciated. I was about 13 or 14 years old and my interest in WWII and aviation had only just begun. Under this act it is an offence to tamper with, damage, move, or unearth any remains without a licence from the Ministry of Defence. The aircraft work number was Wn.3962 and the fuselage identification code was believed to be F8+LW. There is a photo of the wreck on the Web. Ian. If this does not sound right, do you have an idea as to the date? Obelt. My friends father said he recalls as a lad, a German bomber being shot down in the same area. So far the Church records go, the Burials Register will record the names and details of all who were buried in the churchyard. Peter Ayerst survived eight years as a fighter pilot and wing commander with the Royal Air Force throughout the Second World War and he died peacefully in May 2014. Of the four bombs that landed in the city itself, all rolled around the streets and never exploded except one: it killed my wifes schoolfriend. German ones late war are as expected fewer. WebWW2 Aircraft Crashes in the Cavendish area The Stradishall Short Sterling, 31st March 1944 The Lavenham B-24, July 20th 1944 The Crash of Junkers 9/KG30 at Cavendish 22 March 1944 The Liberator Crash at Kentwell Hall, 20 May 1944 Sudbury Crash 13th July 1944 Thats why Im interested as dad recalls only the wings were removed the vast majority we think is still under the clay. They have a monument stone to the crew that died but its not where it crashed. I refuse to accept they would not have been buried without due regard, and the 4 unidentified ones were buried in Chartham the next day. Thanks very much. Simon. Does anybody know if downed luftwaffe planes were recovered and taken to airbases like Deenethorpe to be striped and studied?? The B-17 bomber played a major role in winning the air war against Germany in WW2. The crash I was researching occured in East Sussex. Hi Ian, yes it was a black day for the Luftwaffe and the civilian population. Local school children, including my 14 year old day, heard of the crash and were soon on it the next morning. Bear with me, it might require me trawling through 11 volumes of books to find it! Parker always draws a blank on these occasions as well, which means there is nothing in them. Serial number of the plane and individual code (B3+?H) is not known, but if parts of it can be found, there is always chance serial might be found on a component or a part plate. I can provide you with many details of Pilot HELMUT GALL! WebThe map has been launched to mark the 80th anniversary of the first raid. let me know. This aircraft took off from Paris for a raid on Birmingham but was attacked by a Boulton Paul Defiant night fighter over Redhill. One of the photos is of a Spitfire on the ground at Kenley and another is of the bombers departing, again parallel to the Seven Sisters. I'm hoping to update PlaneCrashMap.com with some of the Went to see it straight away of course and it had done a fine belly landing; its engines were till ticking from the heat when I got to it. Just to add to the confusion the lake at Horsmonden was searched some years ago as it was alleged a German bomber crashed into it but nothing was ever found. Anyway if there is anything in that book that you think would help then please let me know or email me. Interesting to read of your dads memories of this crash. Hi John,
Getting a ticket is almost impossible unless you are a season ticket holder now. Can anyone verify this incident? Since I own all of these documents to Schmitter it made me a bit more motivated, as you might imagine, to find all I could about his career. I thought Id ask here as apparently the crash is mentioned in Vol 2 Luftwaffe Crash Archives as well as Andy Saunders Finding the Foe (Chapter 8), 60024/67 FF Obergefr Gerhard FREUDE 14.10.18 Koslitz, Luben The Sound Mirrors at Greatstone on Sea have always fascinated me but access is restricted. I believe on 23rd Sept 1940 the Luftwaffe sent over 200 ME109s in the morning, that were intercepted by various Hurricanes & Spitfires. Hope you find the site. He took me to the site in the sixties and its now a public park and as far as we know are still buried there. Gefreiter Franz Becker all missing. There is a photo of the tailplane the only recognisable part in The Blitz T&N#3. All military aircraft crash sites in the United Kingdom, its territorial waters, or British aircraft in international waters, are controlled by the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986. Stabsfeldwebel was a senior NCO rank. Lund of 611 Squadron during combat at 14.45. 60024/4 BO Oberlt Max-Dankwart BIRKENSTOCK 16.12.15 Neustettin, Stettin 4/JG2 2+- off Folkestone Pier piloted by Uff Frederich Dilthey So that doesnt fit either with your account of a friendly reception but who knows, it could be the same? Will be in touch, Thank you so much. This morning I am free and am just replying to a number of queries I received, will take a look into yours soon. Great stuff. For years there was some kind of wreck lying among the rocks, but we never were able to identify it. 8/JG26 9+1 Biddenden pilot Fw Gerhard Grsymalla Was the crash at Laindon or somewhere in Basildon or at Southend? Hi Jez, sorry I have been unable to look at the books I have. I knew Helmuts daughter and corresponded with her. Harald, Hi thankyou a very brave man by the sound of it glad was treated ok.couldnt find nothing on records regarding the gentleman.I think he was Essen based nice to hear he got to see his family. Before I knew anything about it sadly. Has Been a long time since reading any posts have you any photography of Mr Gall ? Their names were Walter Hottenrott (pilot), Hermann Reese (pilot), and Paul Gotze (Observer). I am looking for information on a report from the Eastbourne Gazette dated September 4th 1940 stating; Officer congratulates Lewis gunner for bringing down a Junkers 88. Simon, the article I read about the widow of that German pilot was in the Eastbourne Herald newspaper, I think. Superfortress 44-61999 Over-Exposed! air crash site on Bleaklow, All photos and text are aircrashsites.co.uk unless otherwise stated. There is a reference on a mesage board from 2006 which says The remains of Gerhard Ruger were disposed of by local troops and received no formal burial, the burial site being unmarked and unrecorded. Warm Regards, Keith Williams. But there are similar stories relating to the air raids on Nottingham of 8/9 May 1941 which is interesting. One mountain with 8 aircraft crashes on it. Knowing that a young pilot was laying just below my feet in his grave , He lay there until 1977 when he and his plane were dug up. WebA Plane Crash in Maidstone. I also saw a Do 217e drop eight bombs, in two tight drops, on Winchester. But Id be very interested to see that claim proved wrong! Any idea as to the approx date or year? It began with the Royal Engineers at Chatham establishing a balloon I was told that the other crewman bailed out. Im local and hoping to visit sites to pay respects on their respective dates. 60024/79 BS Gefr Franz BECKER 18.1.19 Hurth, Koln. I wonder if the 410 was carrying bombs that caused such an explosion. Regards By using Google maps we were able to identify his evacuation town as Bleanau Ffestiniog, where he stayed with the family of a Welsh international footballer (name unknown) who played for Liverpool. There is a small photo of the RAF navigator by the Mosquito at West Malling and one of the excavation in 1976 with the now retired navigator proudly displaying a prop unearthed. WebMap of wartime aircraft crash sites. I know the exact location and even after all these years you can still smell the fuel in the soil. not a lot of info on the crew on Lufftwafe sites ,Hope your well. But often although the crash spot is recorded, often where the crew land is sometimes just given as the parish (e.g a Hurricane shot down over Tunbridge Wells crashing at Lake Street Manor, Mayifeld and the injured pilot baling out and landing somewhere in Rotherfield parish). Am no expert, but I think this would have been the emblem on the nose of the aircraft. Sorry I forgot to mention, I assume you have the information on the mosquito and both crews He177 and Mossie from the action. Many thanks. Wish I was down south, so much history on the south coast. 21 August 1940: 1./KG54 Junkers Ju 88 A-1. It did occur to me that the aircraft may have crashed some distance away and certainly my family story focuses very much on the young and very frightened German airman, rather than the plane. Parker simply records Ofw Platt who died aboard Heinkel 1H+JD, But in Images of War Luftwaffe Bombers in the Blitz 1940 1941 by Andy Saunders (you can get a free pdf of this book or at least the relevant pages online), the author says, When Cannock Chase was set up, Alfred was removed, as were these 4, now buried in Block 9 Grave 48 as Unknown Germans killed 22nd August (actually the date of burial in Chartham) and NOT 21st August. My email address is now walteray.hill29@gmail.com. Thank you. Appreciate your kind words. Battle Rural District bore the brunt of V1s shot down. He claims (in that year) a German Luftwaffe airman had baled out of his crashing Heinkel nearby. All the crew survived the impact, but the plane was left buried in the flats until it was looted in the 1990s, resulting in an organised excavation to document the surviving remains. Can anybody help? Where there is a probability of finding live ordance or human remains, permission may not be granted, so it could have been an unauthorised dig. Three other crew members all landed safely on fields below Cradle Hill near Rathfinny Farm, plane crashed near Seaford. I saw no detail about a Polish Hurricane pilot, what I have is reference to it being shot down by Spitfires and the crew bailed out. The gentleman is long dead now so I can not go back to him on that. I am aware that a dig was carried out there some years ago so hopefully the nearby farm will know more about it. On March 12, 1943, the nine-man crew of a B-17F Flying Fortress perished after one of the planes engines caught fire and exploded mid-air during a flight from Smoky Hill Air Field in Salina, Kansas, to Morrison Field in West Palm Beach, Florida. A Bf109 at Knowle Farm on 9/9/40. I know there was an attack on Easthampstead Park in 1941 (which was being used by a school evacuated from London), but I dont know if this was the same incident.
Hello Magaret, thank you for your story of the German fighter crash and what the pilot said to your father, Magaret, they were all young men on both sides and not all of them wanted it, its such a shame that so many died. The only information I have on the crash is from After the Battle The Blitz Vol 3 giving Hammer Wood as the crash site and a photograph of 2 bobbies with the tailplane wreckage but its impossible to tell where the crash site is from the image. And a lot still in progress. While living in Kent I got to know an ex Coldstream Guards officer who had been posted to Berlin shortly after Germanys surrender. I am trying to get in touch with local newspapers to see what they have in their archives. The bronze figure forms part of 'St Michaels Victory over the Devil', which was unveiled at the cathedral by Epsteins widow, Kathleen, in 1960. If I find out anything further, I will drop you a line. We have some woods nearby and have found British .50 cal bullets in the woods and scraps of aluminium and have always wondered if they had anything to do with the Heinkel. I dont know Sussex well but was down that way weekend before last, have friends in Worthing. WebIn Kent, over 600 terrestrial wrecks have been recorded and over 300 offshore.
I dont suppose you ever visited that part of the country? On August 30th 1940 a Heinkel 111 Group Markings A1_CL Crashed in Lifstan Way Southend On Sea,Essex 3 Crew Died and a Lady Died while Tripping over and Passed Away Going to hER Anderson Shelter , Iam Trying to Find Out What Happened To The Pilot Helmut Gall(uterofizier)? Cannock Chase was selected as the German Military Cemetary as the terrain most features German splinter countryside (also why their aircraft are camouflaged in such a way as oppose the RAFs more wavy British lines. - Vintage Photograph 1467913. my older sister included and I respect there feelings on this. Needham could find no more to confirm the story. Anything welcome especially if any photos. Do please let me know how you get on, be good to add a photo here or a link to your site if you add it there for anyone else searching for it. You might also want to consider that the crater might also have been caused by a V1 being in doodlebug alley or just from a bomber dropping its bombs blind if engaged by fighters. Id love to know more about this plane & its crew, particularly its pilot & would appreciate any help you can give me. Im new to these sites but wonder if anyone can help me. My elderly father was evacuated to laindon essex and remembers a German bomber maybe a dornier being persued by a hurricane at rooftop level. Good weather allowed the spectators on the ground to watch as the following events unfolded. Mechanic) Heinz Kochy (Radio Operator) and Gustav Ullmann (Gunner) all survived the forced landing along with their aircraft. 23/2/44 Ju188 at Framfield With the use of photography and writing, this work explores the plane crash sites in the New Hampshire White Mountains. Dave Smith told me about the crash of an Me-410 and we went searching for wreckage in those fields, expecting to see a crater perhaps. And in 1959 a Piper Comanche airplane crashed in a remote area of the 45,000-acre Pemigewasset Wilderness. Attacked by three Hurricanes, Uffz Rger turned for home but was shot down. Crashed WW2 Aircraft.. Ian, Hi Ian afraid I cant help you with date or year,sorry. Does anyone know of a German plane crash landing in Luton during WW2 and the crew surviving? We came to Australia in 1955. We hit the M25 at rush hour on a Friday evening. Best regards Keith. Thats all that I have. I have strong circumstantial evidence he was actually in the Auxiliary Home Guard. Sorry, I do not recall dates or any other info from those white crosses. Its a long shot, but if either of the two soldiers on the right look like your grandfather, do let me know and I will email you another photo of them. He was arrested at Hollyhurst, Burwash Weald (TN19 7NA) after spending the night in the woods. After the war, his widow from Germany visited Eastbourne in order to claim her husbands body and was treated very nicely by the townspeople. Chartham cemetery also contained the grave of A Hoffman, Luftwaffe, killed 15 September, so it was used for Luftwaffe burials, but there was an Alfred Hoffman and also an Andreas Hoffman both killed on 15 September and I dont know which one was in Chartham before Cannock. Still watch the scores on tv, still hear myself saying, We could make the play-offs every time we win a game But got fed up with travelling all the way to Leyton Orient on a Tuesday night in Deecember for an LDV vans trophy game only to get beat 4 nil but thats football. But 234 were in 10 Group, so why buried in 11 Groups area? Lots of photographs, a couple from this crash, the one I mentioned in the other book of the tailplane guarded by a bobby and observed by a few onlookers and another of a memorial card printed for the family of one of the crew, Uff. 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I also am hoping to see the Sound Mirrors on the Sussex coast at some time which I thought were unique until I came across your photos. I have gleaned a lot of information but what is missing is the exact crash site location. During the flight, the flying boats crew lost their way and found themselves well off course. However, I am not as familiar with that area as you both are, so you may rule it out immediately? Thanks Ian Yes The poppy was very appropriate . Photographer: Unknown photographer for John Laing plc, Historic England Archive John Laing Collection. With apologies for taking so long to respond, I am sorry to say I do not think we are going to be able to help. Thanks also for giving this some thought Simon. During the war my dad was evacuated from Liverpool (Anfield) to Wales as a seven year old. It seems unlikely that some schoolgirls would see the pilot bale out and open his parachute and see where the aircraft crashed, at some distance presumably, and make there way first to apprehend the pilot and then to the crash site. Interviews, WW2 By Pierre Kosmidis Photos by Anthony Rogers A heavily bomb-damaged street in Valletta, Malta. My nephew now lives in a house 1/4 mile from the site and local stories say a German POW worked at that farmhouse during the war. There doesnt seem to ba any other 4 man crew unaccounted for on 21/22 August on land, so where did the 4 in Chartham come from, if not Kings Somborne but obviously I need a definite link for authorities to accept these men are the Ju 88 crew.
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